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The return of BG

Post by AsaJay » Thu Dec 11, 2003 10:18 am

Man Bio, you just can't temp people like that on your home page. :)

I loved the original Battlestar Galactica. It was great. But it's now like 25 years old. I can sympathize with the fans. . . well wait. . . . no I can't.

I've not actually seen the new one, but I did read the new producers comments about why he did what he did, and I must say, I think his vision is a bit more brilliant for todays times. I think it speaks better than the old one. I guess I'm no loyalist to the original, it stands fine in it's own right, but hey, it's all fiction anyway, let's get over it.

The original is kind of -campy- now. I'm sure the new one has got to be more exciting, at least it sure sounds that way on the web site.

The one thing that struck me the most, was the return of Edward James Olmos to the sci-fi arena. His last outing was in Blade Runner, which is kind of a cult flick in itself. The thing though that struck me about that, is that BG parallels BR in an interesting way. In BR, we have -replicants- which are human created -humans-, in BG, we have -cylons- which are human created -humans-, or at least that's the way I read it from the web site. In each, there is now the internal human moral dilema of creating -yourself- and having to destroy that creating. It's almost like we are saying once again we shouldn't play God, we have no experience with it, and it's only likely to lead to our undoing.

So give us an impression, for those of us without cable, satellite or a normal technology life. :shock:
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Re: The return of BG

Post by Moxie » Thu Dec 11, 2003 11:38 am

AsaJay wrote:It's almost like we are saying once again we shouldn't play God, we have no experience with it, and it's only likely to lead to our undoing
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Re: The return of BG

Post by bio » Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:21 pm

AsaJay wrote:Man Bio, you just can't temp people like that on your home page. :)
Yeah... I figured it might generate a response or two (though I've had none as of yet).

I quite enjoyed the new mini series. It's quite different from the original (which I enjoyed quite a bit) but fits better with the times.

I am a little perturbed with the ending.... it's not an ending, but rather, a cliff hanger. They had better turn it into a series to continue the story (I believe that's the idea anyway).
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Re: The return of BG

Post by AsaJay » Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:37 pm

bio wrote:I am a little perturbed with the ending.... it's not an ending, but rather, a cliff hanger. They had better turn it into a series to continue the story (I believe that's the idea anyway).
Was that after the end of the second show? I understand there are two shows in the mini-series. I also know from reading the sci-fi channel web site they are trying for a series, the drop-dead sign-on date being the end of December.

I really hate bad cliff-hangers. Like the ones done for some ST:TNG series season enders. I don't mind a congruous thread, but some hangers are just bad. Come to think of it, it's those very cliff-hangers that caused me to -stop- watching a lot of those series on TV.

Of course, BG was always a search for Earth, in the original series. That by itself was a never-ending story. Does the new series end up with some gawd-awful situation that doesn't get resolved, or does it end with the same theme of just surviving?

I hope it comes out on DVD, because it's gonna be a while before I get anything other than "airwave" TV at my new house.

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Post by bio » Thu Dec 11, 2003 12:47 pm

They had said that there were 12 versions of the human looking Cylons. By the end of the second show, you know what 3 of them look like... then they show you a 4th.

I'd like to say more... but that would spoil it. Both shows are on again Sunday, December 14th beginning at 7:00 PM PST.
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Post by AsaJay » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:46 pm

It's starting to sound a lot more like Bladerunner. :)

At the end of Bladerunner, you never really got an idea of how many replicants there were. And in fact, in some circles, it's speculated that Harrison Ford's character was a replicant as well.

So the premise in BG would be (I believe) that you never really know if they guy or girl standing next to you, is a cylon or not. That is a thread that can be used rather effectively over many different episodes.

The real questions become:
- who (if anyone) knows what all the different versions look like
- who knows how many
- how can you really tell

It may be they are really spinning up a good yarn on "who do you trust? / Who can you trust?" Without even seeing it yet, it sounds like it's going to be a very deep thinking kind of sci-fi epic. I like how the producer described it as a cross between Babylon 5 and Star Trek; where there would be a good underlying theme, puncuated by stark moments of discovery and episodes that would stand on their own.

You've certainly provoked the interest. I'll see what I can do.
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Post by bio » Thu Dec 11, 2003 1:51 pm

AsaJay wrote:The real questions become:
- who (if anyone) knows what all the different versions look like
- who knows how many
- how can you really tell
Actually... they come up with a test to see if your human or Cylon and use it during the second episode, so that's been answered.

It'll be interesting to see, as the 4th version is someone who plays a major role on the ship (hint: one of the main characters), so it will be interesting to see how it pans out, if they bring the series online.

Most of the controversy seems to be over the fact that they changed the gender of a couple of characters (Boomer and Starbuck). Personally... I had no problems with the change... it makes it more interesting.
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Post by eddiecanuck » Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:36 am

I guess my biggest problem with the human cylons is that the female uses sex exclusively to manipulate and advance the story. To me it just seems like another cheap way to get sex to sell a show. A lot like having T'Pol in Enterprise walk around in skin tight cloths and sleep in a half shirt pajama set. Now don't get me wrong, they look great, but doesn't add credibility to the characters or situations. Just my opinion.
Otherwise I kinda like the new series, the actual cylon robots at the end were cool.
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Post by bio » Fri Dec 12, 2003 9:49 am

eddiecanuck wrote:I guess my biggest problem with the human cylons is that the female uses sex exclusively to manipulate and advance the story.
And this is different from real life how?
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Post by AsaJay » Fri Dec 12, 2003 11:26 am

eddiecanuck wrote:A lot like having T'Pol in Enterprise walk around in skin tight cloths and sleep in a half shirt pajama set. Now don't get me wrong, they look great. . .
"they" as in the clothes, or what's in them?
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Post by eddiecanuck » Fri Dec 12, 2003 11:33 am

They as in the two females I was discussing... but I like the way you think :twisted:
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Post by bio » Fri Dec 12, 2003 5:28 pm

AsaJay wrote:
eddiecanuck wrote:A lot like having T'Pol in Enterprise walk around in skin tight cloths and sleep in a half shirt pajama set. Now don't get me wrong, they look great. . .
"they" as in the clothes, or what's in them?
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There is a subtle difference here. T'Pol is a vulcan, and vulcan's arent sexual creatures. She should be shown in a drab robe made of coarse fiber when she's in something "comfortable". Showing her dressed in a half shirt and clingy silk pants isn't what a vulcan would do and only serves to cheapen the character.

As for the sexy Cylon... well, she was designed that way so I can live with it.

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