My apologies in advance to any feminists in the house....
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My apologies in advance to any feminists in the house....
...but this shit is funny.
"Fear of the bee means the honey is for me" - Jhonn Balance
No big surprises from the guys or the girls in this one.
We're all a little shallow, and we know it. Why do guys work hard and try to make lots of money? Why do girls dress up and make themselves look nice and pretty? We're just trying to attract the opposite sex and we know that these things are what they like. Sure, this is a generalized statement of course, and probably more applicable to the younger folks, but guys like T&A and girls like $$.
Luckily, not all people are as blatently shallow as these girls or guys that reply to these postings.
We're all a little shallow, and we know it. Why do guys work hard and try to make lots of money? Why do girls dress up and make themselves look nice and pretty? We're just trying to attract the opposite sex and we know that these things are what they like. Sure, this is a generalized statement of course, and probably more applicable to the younger folks, but guys like T&A and girls like $$.
Luckily, not all people are as blatently shallow as these girls or guys that reply to these postings.
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I don't think I'd necessarily agree that women like money. I think women like security and reliability, whatever the expectations are set at. Sure everyone likes to get presents, but culturally, women are encouraged to be interested in establishing a level of domestic stability. Maybe its the old nesting instincts kicking in. Their bodies make children.... they have needs to look after.
Men conversely are culturally encouraged to be irresponsible and careless. So the byproduct of that is that we chase things. Like dinosaurs, with spears. And women. With spears. We chase things with spears. That's what we do.
Its all hunter-gatherer vs. nurturer, I guess. For damn sure, I don't judge the women who responded. I don't think they're pathetic or shallow. That's bullshit double-standards kicking in. If I had a chance, back when I was single, to get lavished with gifts for nothing other than having sex and eating and enjoying some good conversation... Hell, who wouldn't find that at least a little appealing? That's many men's fantasy in fact. So I'm supposed to look down on someone just because its a woman who wants the same thing? Eh, fuck that. That's a set-up for a sucker punch.
Men conversely are culturally encouraged to be irresponsible and careless. So the byproduct of that is that we chase things. Like dinosaurs, with spears. And women. With spears. We chase things with spears. That's what we do.
Its all hunter-gatherer vs. nurturer, I guess. For damn sure, I don't judge the women who responded. I don't think they're pathetic or shallow. That's bullshit double-standards kicking in. If I had a chance, back when I was single, to get lavished with gifts for nothing other than having sex and eating and enjoying some good conversation... Hell, who wouldn't find that at least a little appealing? That's many men's fantasy in fact. So I'm supposed to look down on someone just because its a woman who wants the same thing? Eh, fuck that. That's a set-up for a sucker punch.
"Fear of the bee means the honey is for me" - Jhonn Balance
True Miftah, I agree that security and reliability are inherently what women seek out, but Marilyn Monroe will happily inform you that diamonds are a girl’s best friend. I don't blame girls for wanting a little bling and I don't blame guys for wanting to have an attractive female. It's in our nature, but society has been quite the catalyst in boosting these desires and making them of highest importance. Things like Maxim and Playboy promote and entice these desires in men, while Ikea catalogs and rich celebrities do it for women.
Of course I have done everything in my life to be successful for myself, and to make my family proud, but I'd be lying if I said that I didn't do it, at least to some extent, to make myself a more desirable male. Knowing that women are seeking security, I find it would be beneficial to get a good career and show that there is security and stability in my life. Women, knowing that us guys like a pretty face, smooth skin and great body, will work out and spend hours in front of a mirror to make themselves more desirable females. Not that they aren't also doing these things to be healthy and to feel good about themselves.
I guess what it comes down to is intent. It's that balance of reasoning behind these things that can make someone shallow or not. When an attractive woman spends time working on herself and spends time with a man, JUST for the soul purpose of being lavished with gifts, I would say she is shallow. If a man is building a successful life for himself and buying things for women, JUST for the soul purpose of getting some poon tang, I would say that he is shallow.
Some of those women who responded are nice girls I’m sure, and if it were a real scenario where they did meet with this guy, some of them would probably try to get to know the guy, listen to what he has to say, and not completely take advantage. Other responders however, would probably love to just suck this guy dry for everything they can get and not even care what kind of person he is.
Likewise, the guys who responded to the hot female ad are probably different breeds. Some of them would like to meet that girl, get it on, and never talk to her again. Some of the other guys, of course, would be interested in getting to know the girl, beyond just having a physical fling. They might even want to pursue a relationship, but it was the attraction of the women that sparked their interest.
Heck yeah, I’d love to be lavished with gifts too, just to have sex and enjoy conversation, but at some point I would start feeling bad for taking advantage of this person. I know a lot of girls, even dated some in the past, that have no problems taking and taking without giving anything back in return. I also know some pretty pig headed guys who will get women into bed and feign interest until they are bored, then just toss the girl out like a piece of trash. These are the people that make me sick.
Just saying that some people are shallower than others is all, but we are all a little shallow to some extent.
I’ll reiterate the last sentence as “Luckily, not all people are as blatantly shallow as SOME of these girls or guys that reply to these postings.”
Of course I have done everything in my life to be successful for myself, and to make my family proud, but I'd be lying if I said that I didn't do it, at least to some extent, to make myself a more desirable male. Knowing that women are seeking security, I find it would be beneficial to get a good career and show that there is security and stability in my life. Women, knowing that us guys like a pretty face, smooth skin and great body, will work out and spend hours in front of a mirror to make themselves more desirable females. Not that they aren't also doing these things to be healthy and to feel good about themselves.
I guess what it comes down to is intent. It's that balance of reasoning behind these things that can make someone shallow or not. When an attractive woman spends time working on herself and spends time with a man, JUST for the soul purpose of being lavished with gifts, I would say she is shallow. If a man is building a successful life for himself and buying things for women, JUST for the soul purpose of getting some poon tang, I would say that he is shallow.
Some of those women who responded are nice girls I’m sure, and if it were a real scenario where they did meet with this guy, some of them would probably try to get to know the guy, listen to what he has to say, and not completely take advantage. Other responders however, would probably love to just suck this guy dry for everything they can get and not even care what kind of person he is.
Likewise, the guys who responded to the hot female ad are probably different breeds. Some of them would like to meet that girl, get it on, and never talk to her again. Some of the other guys, of course, would be interested in getting to know the girl, beyond just having a physical fling. They might even want to pursue a relationship, but it was the attraction of the women that sparked their interest.
Heck yeah, I’d love to be lavished with gifts too, just to have sex and enjoy conversation, but at some point I would start feeling bad for taking advantage of this person. I know a lot of girls, even dated some in the past, that have no problems taking and taking without giving anything back in return. I also know some pretty pig headed guys who will get women into bed and feign interest until they are bored, then just toss the girl out like a piece of trash. These are the people that make me sick.
Just saying that some people are shallower than others is all, but we are all a little shallow to some extent.
I’ll reiterate the last sentence as “Luckily, not all people are as blatantly shallow as SOME of these girls or guys that reply to these postings.”
Peanut Butter Jelly Time!
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Both. I don't think any woman *really* believes that men are judging us on our sense of style or comparing us to each other in terms of thinness. As long as we aren't overly chubby and don't completely neglect our grooming, we're a-ok with you fellas. If you could be a woman for a day, you would be exhausted by the time you're day was over. There is *constant* comparing going on between each other. You can't go out in public without catching dirty looks from other girls, no matter what you look like. In our culture, our worth is almost completely dependent on what we look like. We can all sniff at that as much as we like, and claim it isn't true, that it doesn't matter to us, but it won't make it any less of a reality for 99% of girl out there every day. It's not really about attracting you boys, because frankly, we are very aware of how easy that is. It's about making sure we feel like a better example of female than the chick next door. With a great deal of practice as we grow up, we can choose to shut this part of our culture out, but it's always there like a wolf at the door.
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